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Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. It was here Jennifer passed out and was found by crew. He thought it could have been furniture, such as a couch, falling or being thrown on the floor. Unless he had help, he's not far. Photographs show them embracing by the pool and on the second night, after a day spent exploring Villefranche-sur-Mer in France, the Smiths’ decided to have a get-together in their room, the noise of which kept their neighbour awake until almost 3:30am. Just to add one thing, if you see the blood stained area below his cabin, if he fell his body would have remained. Following some time spent at the casino, the Smiths met up with another newlywed couple who they had befriended and who had gotten married on the same day in June as the Smiths had.

It sounds like he left the house around 7:30 and didn't get on the bus. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The repeated displays of anti-social behavior. The neighbour says he then waited about 10 seconds before opening his door and looking out, where he states he saw three men, whose identities have never been released publicly. Their parents were warned numerous times about their sons' behaviour, however it seems little was done to control them. Sounds like suicide to me, unfortunately. Some drunk rowdy young men causing trouble is one thing, for them to decide to throw george overboard is a whole different thing. On July 29, 2005, the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) announced that they were investigating Smith's disappearance.

However rumors were spreading and 13 people in total were escorted from the ship, including the Rozenberg group and the Askin family. Perhaps the most damning piece of evidence pointing to their potential involvement in Georges disappearance is a videotape found on one of the Rozenberg boys' phone that appears to show three of the four men commenting on George's presumed death in a very callous way. Did he run into foul play along the way and is now in a situation he can't control and needs help? Those are all very plausible possibilities.

[6], Smith's disappearance has led to wider interest in passenger rights on cruise ships. I especially like theory 2, I hadn't considered that maybe George's death was accidental, but just didn't happen how we would assume (ie falling overboard). After dinner they spent some time at the casino and all reports said they were in good spirits and seemed to be acting normally, albeit a little rowdy. Don't ever think about killing yourself, life might be bad right now but it'll get better eventually. Where is this boy? I'm not totally comfortable with this next observation as it could lead quickly to pseudo-scientific speculation. But why would someone want to kill George? What are your thoughts on this case? Having married Jennifer Hagel eleven days earlier, George Smith was on his honeymoon, a two-week trip on a Mediterranean cruise stopping in Greece, Turkey, and Italy, among other locations.[1]. I'm mostly a lurker, but this is a case I find fascinating (it's actually what got me down the "missing persons" rabbit hole; I'm "Facebook Acquaintances" with someone who knew Macin personally). thanks so much for your thoughts on these! I wish they could find him so his family would know what happened. I wasn't very articulate which the 7:30-3:15 timeline. Posted by 1 year ago.

Instead of turning right, into the long port corridor that led to their stateroom, she turned left, into the starboard corridor. And still only a block away in his own neighborhood? The wiping makes me very suspicious. Between them the families had three sons aboard, all said to be in their teens or early 20s: Jeffrey, Zachary, and Greg. The newlyweds were honeymooning on a Royal Caribbean International cruise of the Mediterranean, which departed from Barcelona on Wednesday 29th June 2005 and was due to stop in Greece, France, Turkey and Italy, among other locations. By all appearances, it seems Macin had vanished without a trace. He said no screams or voices followed the thud, and all was quiet after that. The four were traveling with relatives; their group, numbering eight people in all, consisted of two families, both with the surname Rozenberg. She stated he had passed out outside their cabin on two prior occasions during their trip (seems like this couple know how to party to excess!) And it's very unfortunate. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2006/04/george-jennifer-smith-royal-caribbean-cruise-honeymoon. The parents were summoned and were told that if another incident occurred, they would all be asked to leave the ship. Six days after his disappearance, Macin’s parents found a note tucked inside of his wallet, which was under some things inside of his dresser. His story has been reported on by Dateline NBC and 48 Hours and was depicted in a television film called Deadly Honeymoon, which still airs on Lifetime. “Told ya I was gangsta” was a reference to successfully pulling off the stunt that killed George. With George Davies' execution and the evaporation of the Frederick Pope/Little Miss X leads, the disappearance of Connie Smith went cold.

Side note: Also NEVER going on a cruise. Alternatively a less nefarious theory is that George could have gone out to the balcony for a cigar and somehow fell overboard. During this entire incident, Jennifer Smith was nowhere to be seen. Sometimes it seems that young people from the USA do not realize that the hazards of the world have not been sanitized for their safety. They decide to throw his body overboard and concoct a story about leaving him alive in his cabin. At the end, the mom says something about "loving him unconditionally". I wish more would take the time and care that you put into your post. This height would not be that unusual in certain areas of the country (I'm from an area with large populations of people with German or Scandinavian ancestry), and people may not realize just how tall he was if he was just walking around. I was raised Mormon, and I 100% believe that he was coming out in that letter. Super interesting case. If it happened again, he was told, call the desk, and they would handle it. Upvoting for saying deadweight is heavier than aliveweight. George Allen Smith IV (born October 3, 1978) was an American man who disappeared overboard from the Royal Caribbean International cruise ship MS Brilliance of the Seas in July 2005 under suspicious circumstances. Not only is homosexuality taboo, but there is a lot of pressure on young men to go on missions - and some families are very extreme in that pressure to the point of threatening to not help with college and kicking them out. The contents of this note voiced Macin’s displeasure with some things going on, internal struggle, and possibly and intent to harm himself. She was a teacher, who was to begin a new job teaching third-graders upon their return. Interesting case. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. His parents thought he was headed to school like any normal Tuesday, however he never got on the bus. -Very hard to speculate the thoughts of a teenager who just had his electronics taken away, plenty of time to plan something if he stayed up all night writing the letter between 1:30-7:30 that morning?

Anyway I didn’t explain that as well as others have and have probably forgotten some details but I remember it making a lot of sense when I heard it! If so, i 100% believe it was suicide. There was a lot of reluctance on the part of the media to identify these young men, which seems very odd in itself. It looks like his family was Mormon. I usually would just put them on my computer's desktop or something and leave my computer in hibernate, until I came home after realizing suicide wasn't worth it and deleting it upon coming home.

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